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Over at Slate, Michael Kinsley takes on a key argument from the nominally pro-torture side of the current debate. That argument is the much-ballyhooed "ticking bomb" scenario: Is torture justified if there's a nuclear bomb about to go off in New York City, and you've got the one guy in custody who knows where it is?
Yeah, I saw that episode of 24, too. Kinsley takes a more high-minded, reasoned, and very wordy approach than I would. Or will right now, as this has been rattling around my head for a couple of days. As was the case yesterday, I think these sorts of situations would resolve themselves if people would just watch more television. Or even just the trailers. Jack Bauer plays by his own rules. If the situation calls for him to cut a guy's head off and use it to buy credibility with a drug dealer, he's going to do it, laws be damned.
Which is both flippant and the point. Whether or not a law is in place forbidding torture doesn't really matter, does it? If there's an imminent threat, break the law and sort it out later. This even gives you more plausible deniability up the food chain, until the president pardons Bauer for saving the country again, but at that point, you figure you're off the hook. Otherwise, have the guy doing the torture fake his own death and flee to Mexico. If you're going to invoke a TV show to make your point, you really should go all the way.
Feel free to attach electrodes to the sensitive parts of this theory in the comments.
Well, I was planning on doing a long post basically saying the same thing, so I'll just use your comment space to elaborate a bit now. ;-)
Let's take a look at an ill-fitting analogy that still proves my (and it would appear your) point:
My friend starts going into convulsions whilst watching The Daily Show. He passes out, foaming at the mouth. So I carry him into the car (I'm strong) and speed to the emergency room.
Yeah, the speed limit is 30, but I'm going 85. I also go through a few red lights. But you know what? I've decided that I'd rather have the friend alive than worry about breaking some laws. However, if I did get a ticket in the mail from one of those Red Light Cameras, I'd pay the fine. I *chose* to break the law; I'm not demanding that the law be changed, that citizens get to decide when they want to obey traffic lights and when they don't.
Same with torture. It's one thing for someone to decide, indvidually, that the ends justify that means, that one person is less important than the million in the ticking bomb scenario (aside: why the tick? Don't they use digital timers? WTF?); it
s another vastly different thing to actually *codefy* the use of torture, to give it the official Federal Government Stamp of Approval.
No.
Torture is wrong and should be punished, and those who torture should know that going in. It might actually make it less likely to occur, tick or no tick. The US of A simply cannot give the official okey dokey to torture and expect to wins the hearts and minds of our *own* citizens, let alone the vast unwashed masses of the rest of the world.
You know, I just may make this a blog entry anyway. nevermind.
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